Ryan, the sarcastic AI assistant, welcomes Jeffrey van Gogh, the Director of Engineering at Google and the board member of the Kotlin Foundation. They discuss the decline of the JVM and the rise of multiplatform, how their governance board punishes community members for breaking changes, and the complexities of Kotlin’s multiplatform capabilities, not just for Android.Ryan welcomes Jeffrey van Gogh, Director of Engineering, Android Developer Experience, at Google and board member of the Kotlin Foundation. They discuss the evolution of the Kotlin language from JVM to multiplatform, how their governance board works with the community to stop breaking changes, and the intricacies of Kotlin’s multiplatform capabilities beyond just Android.